"Instead the victims are simply assumed culpable by virtue of class membership", ah, well, allow me to rectify that by demonstrating their culpability by actual argument. Officers have stopped wearing ID cards and started hiding their faces, making accountability impossible through normal channels. By virtue of participating in this incredibly evil practice - or simply by acting among a significant number that have - they are, each and every one, individually culpable.
I do agree that doxing them is of dubious utility. Public exposure should be in the form of indictments.
So your argument, in short, is: Don't raise the social cost of being an ICE agent, they could retaliate. And if ICE agents then kill random people, it's on you.
I mean, do you find this convincing? And this suggestion of compromise with the current administration has to be in jest, you can't possibly be this naïve.
I do not understand your argument then. The goal is clear, less ICE agents, tabs the existing ones being less able to do their dispicable deeds. The means is also clear, to quote you Hong Kong example, "Police recruiting dropped 40% while departures increased 40%. ". If that were to be achieved with ICE, I'm happy.
Also, that you are concerned with the well being of ICE agents and not their victims is a bit odd. It seems like an easy equation: Less ICE agents, by whatever means, leads to less people murdered, or threatened, or thrown into concentration camps, or beat up, or terrorized. Which is a good thing in my book.
Recruiting dropped 40% in Hong Kong, but it didn't matter. The protestors still lost.
Why do you say that I am concerned with the well being of ICE agents over their victims? I am concerned instrumentally with whether ICE agents are afraid because I don't want people with guns to have heightened threat perception. And in fact I am concerned with the safety of everyone, protestors, police, immigrants, ICE agents, everyone.
"Instead the victims are simply assumed culpable by virtue of class membership", ah, well, allow me to rectify that by demonstrating their culpability by actual argument. Officers have stopped wearing ID cards and started hiding their faces, making accountability impossible through normal channels. By virtue of participating in this incredibly evil practice - or simply by acting among a significant number that have - they are, each and every one, individually culpable.
I do agree that doxing them is of dubious utility. Public exposure should be in the form of indictments.
So your argument, in short, is: Don't raise the social cost of being an ICE agent, they could retaliate. And if ICE agents then kill random people, it's on you.
I mean, do you find this convincing? And this suggestion of compromise with the current administration has to be in jest, you can't possibly be this naïve.
No, that’s not what I said at all. What I said is:
- find ways to raise the cost that do not put people in danger
- have a strategy, a goal that this cost is supposed to incentivize the government to accept
- history suggests that “shut down ice” is not a good goal because it will not succeed
I do not understand your argument then. The goal is clear, less ICE agents, tabs the existing ones being less able to do their dispicable deeds. The means is also clear, to quote you Hong Kong example, "Police recruiting dropped 40% while departures increased 40%. ". If that were to be achieved with ICE, I'm happy.
Also, that you are concerned with the well being of ICE agents and not their victims is a bit odd. It seems like an easy equation: Less ICE agents, by whatever means, leads to less people murdered, or threatened, or thrown into concentration camps, or beat up, or terrorized. Which is a good thing in my book.
Recruiting dropped 40% in Hong Kong, but it didn't matter. The protestors still lost.
Why do you say that I am concerned with the well being of ICE agents over their victims? I am concerned instrumentally with whether ICE agents are afraid because I don't want people with guns to have heightened threat perception. And in fact I am concerned with the safety of everyone, protestors, police, immigrants, ICE agents, everyone.